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The Support System Behind Success

• Scott Scully, Jeff Winters, Eric Watkins • Season 2 • Episode 52

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Explore the critical relationship between personal connections and business performance, highlighting the importance of effective communication and mutual support between entrepreneurs and their partners. It presents a framework for understanding how supportive partnerships and clear communication are essential in managing the complexities of entrepreneurship. The focus is on practical steps for aligning personal and professional goals, enhancing mutual understanding, and strategically navigating the challenges unique to entrepreneurial lifestyles. Gain actionable insights into building a foundation of support that benefits both personal well-being and business success.

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Scott Scully:

All these years blood, sweat and tears. Not a thing. Sadly nothing could stop me. Welcome back to the gross show. I am with my partners in crime, Eric Watkins and Jeff winners. And we are ready to bring some game today. We've got some beauties, some gems, some actionable advice, coming straight from the frontlines, frontlines of sales and growth. We can't wait to get into the conversation. But before we do, we've got to figure out what's going on. On the LinkedIn landscape. What do you have for us?

Eric Watkins:

They were running amok with you on your little vacation this week, I was

Scott Scully:

out for just a cup like they knew you were gone. They do.

Jeff Winters:

I don't know. I'm on Wi Fi. International Waters. I'm looking at LinkedIn all the time. So you don't have to try to separate truth from lie fact from fiction. And today, our first truth from LinkedIn comes from Tom ally, MO. Tom ally, Mo says underrated sales skill working with urgency. This matters in prospecting. And through the entire sales cycle. Here are some examples that great STRS and AES do on a cold call, they book a meeting in the next day or two, not in the next month or two. In a deal cycle. They look to book the next step tomorrow, not next week or after vacation, they get follow up to a prospect the same day, not the end of the week. Going back and forth on red lines or quick questions, they choose a five minute phone call over 12 emails. The key here is speed. We see this on the STR side we see it on the sales side. A truth from Tom?

Eric Watkins:

Yeah, absolutely. And the benefit of this is not only speed to close a deal, but speed to lose a deal. So you don't spend a bunch of time going through this process thinking somebody's gonna buy and they're not. And when you push timelines up, the true concerns come out. When people can put it off, and we had Let's check back in, in a couple of weeks. Like that's a very easy way for me to not have to give you the exact reason why I don't want to buy your service. Love it.

Scott Scully:

Cheers. Yeah, no, don't ever do anything extra to add Totally agree.

Jeff Winters:

I think a lot of times, especially with us, too. It's like, we're so focused on getting meetings for the next day or the next two days. And it's so easy to let that meeting from an SDR perspective slip into next week or next Thursday. Don't do it.

Eric Watkins:

I think urgency is my favorite word in business period.

Jeff Winters:

We'll come back to Truth Number Two. From Rick Smolan, I encourage you this was a video Rick was on it was a video of a podcast on LinkedIn, which counts counts doesn't have to be written. There's no rules here and made up the rules. And Rick was talking about as leaders how people will attach a lot more meaning to things that we say, than we ever intended, and how important each tiny interaction is, from a leader to someone a level two or three below that you would never think about. And he highlighted how important it was to make sure that those little interactions that aren't meaningful to you that are meaningful to someone else, you got to be particularly careful about how you handle those

Scott Scully:

and at home and at home. Oh, just in communication period. Like I dealt with this last night. I said something I didn't even realize how I said it. And you know, she is still hurt by that two weeks later. And so they won't, people won't necessarily even tell you how it impacted them. And then they're sitting there with it. And if you knew right away, yes, it's your right. Like it's know how to read your facial expressions. And

Eric Watkins:

this is going down a little bit of a rabbit hole. But I would say actually, both of you are probably the same as me on the Enneagram test. I'm at eight which is a challenger. And so we actually if you all are challengers as well, that's my hypothesis. You actually become maybe not you Jeff, but you become closer to people through arguments. Like I actually

Jeff Winters:

when you talk about that's the best my whole you Yeah, okay.

Eric Watkins:

All right. Well, I don't know I don't know if

Scott Scully:

it cost me

Eric Watkins:

but some people are Boyd's just

Unknown:

somebody who does not

Eric Watkins:

somebody We have this like, Scott, I will be talking, we'll be butting heads butting heads butting heads, and then we leave the conversation. It's like, like, Okay, we got it out. We're good. Yeah, we're moving forward. We're closer than we were prior to that, where some people just shut down, leave the meeting. And they're devastated. Oh, yeah. So you really got to be careful this I think it's makes a ton of sense. I

Jeff Winters:

had one of these the other day somebody came, I saw somebody who I rarely see at work. And she's like, gosh, last time we saw each other, remember how awkward it was, you came into my office, and I was in there. And then I had to leave. I was like, I remember that. Like, there are a lot of those moments than other people. Remember, the you don't that are just little moments for you that are big moments for other people. So especially if you're in leadership, don't underestimate how important those moments are for us. Yes, this is I found this interesting. I think it's a lie. But I think it's just an interesting topic. And no one says this. So everybody says the opposite Dan Edwards, controversial post time. Here's a truth bomb that you might ruffle some feathers.

Eric Watkins:

Really got his wish. Hey, Mike.

Jeff Winters:

Here it comes. I pay myself first and foremost. Yep. You read that right? Unlike many business owners, who dive into entrepreneurship, only to find themselves last in line. When it's time for pay offs. I flipped the script. This doesn't mean I leave others hanging far from it. Everyone gets paid. But if push comes to shove, and the business quote needs something at the same time, I'm doing my wages, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'm securing my paycheck first. It's all about strategizing to fulfill the business need by hook or by crook.

Scott Scully:

Are all the comments below people that are on his team? Woof? Yeah, I disagree. I mean, I've been through periods of time of one two years, no pay, making sure that other people had paid to build a team so that eventually it can be larger and greater. And I couldn't disagree more.

Eric Watkins:

Okay, let's play obviously, disagree. But let's play devil's advocate. Oh, the one thing I like about this is I could see as you're starting, you guys went through this? I didn't. I know the thoughts probably came into your head of like, I'm working all these hours. And I'm not even getting bucket paid for this. Like, I'm not even getting paid. Like part of that would at least be like I'm justifying the 78. Like, maybe could it cause someone to work harder than they would have otherwise? Maybe not like, because that's you probably didn't start a business for that reason. But yeah, ultimately, I disagree. You

Scott Scully:

got you have to know that. You have to believe in a mission and believe that you have to have the best people possible on the team. And that you will eventually get paid and get paid. A lot. Yeah, right. Making up for those periods where maybe you were lower. But that's some short term thought process in my mind, and kind of ballsy if he truly has a team right now it's kind of bought, is this person retired or current team he's probably

Jeff Winters:

got no employees. Like give the guy credit. And that's why I said Nobody says that. Nobody's ever said that. Because who the hell would say that? Shout out to him for saying it. This is a growth Stifler. Unfortunate. Yeah. Because when you're just getting started or when it's early, what you find is you have these surprise expenses that come up, you can either go into debt or not, I mean, it's it's really hard to manage to the small bullseye of your paycheck, especially depending on how big it is in the earlier days, and sometimes you gotta go without or you're managing so conservatively budgetarily it's really hard to grow

Scott Scully:

maybe it's different landscape if you have funding, you know, if there's more money to go around, but yeah,

Jeff Winters:

I don't think that's what he's talking about, though. He's talking about that guy's gonna get

Scott Scully:

his what was his last time?

Jeff Winters:

Get out of here. Protect my sources.

Eric Watkins:

One of these that's why they're still running amok. That's right. You throw them in jail. That's right. Yeah.

Scott Scully:

Yeah, you are like things are today. You committed a crime and it's okay. No big deal. Put these people in jail.

Eric Watkins:

Good job, Jeff. Good to be back. I found him on the LinkedIn streets. I

Jeff Winters:

found him calling

Scott Scully:

them out at least their pictures on a poster on the light pole. Yeah, hey,

Jeff Winters:

know who they are. They're listening. They are. Maybe

Scott Scully:

they have less followers, less people believe in their false posts. All right. Today 50 for 50 interesting topic. Going to take it away from the business but it impacts the business. And I'm going to and I'm gonna go backwards in my experience, and I'm gonna I'm gonna say I used to be in an organization that was called the ye O which is Young Entrepreneurs Organization, which is now the EO took the Y away. You know how to learn larger, they grew up grew up, they grew up. But they had something but at that particular point in time, I certainly couldn't understand it because I didn't have a spouse. But they literally had a van events and, and things and groups where spouses could get together and talk about the craziness of their husband or wife, you know, whoever it may be, that is, in a business, starting a business running a business. And I thought it was cool, but I didn't really have the impact that I may have today. Because I just didn't have a spouse, and I didn't understand what I'm saying for the 50 for 50. Today is there's somebody for a lot of you that's at home, that is way more important than, you know, your work life. And if that's going well, you are way better at work than you're not. And if he had to say that there's business and personal and there's total separation, you are a liar, that just doesn't exist. That's a good post, maybe I'll post them. There's no such thing as a clear separation between business and personal, especially if you're an entrepreneur. So I got into a discussion with my fiance. This is why this is coming out for me. And we've known each other for years, but we've been together for a couple of years. And she was not there with me when I started. Right, she hasn't been married to an entrepreneur and doesn't have a lot of experience with maybe some of the things that I'm going through, I have been single for a long time. And forget about things. Forget about how I might be impacted at different time periods, or how I may communicate or one day I might come home at this time. And another day, I might come home at another time or I like it came out through discussion last night. And a good reminder for me that there's a lot of things that she's unaware of that I'm going through during the day. And I'm making assumptions that she just realizes how hard some of those things may be or where my head may be an big mistake on my part, made some breakthroughs in discussion last night, I think but it was just a reminder for me that she has her life and her responsibilities, and I have my life and my responsibilities. And it would be easy for you to say yours is bigger or more important. When it's not, especially if y'all have kids together. Like, right. Or maybe you're both working. And maybe he or she has a good job somewhere. But she's he or she's not an entrepreneur and you are and maybe you make your thing more important to her bigger or, or maybe you make more money and all of a sudden, you think you're calling the shots and he or she isn't and like there has to be some in sync and some understanding and great communication and constant revisiting of where you are to be impactful at work. You know, my grandpa, when I was young told me, he's like you need, he loved that my grandma and till he died. They're married for like 55 years and loved her. And he said the most important thing that you could do in life is pick the right partner. He's like, I've done a lot of things in business and had success could never have done it without without her relationship support that she provided. And I watched him and he always nurtured that he did not act more important than her. Just it was just a really cool relationship to watch. She loved him and he loved her and they were completely different people doing completely different things, but they had like this partnership and who did what and how it worked. And I just think there are people out there that probably haven't planned out what that looks like who's responsible for what Like, are you communicating when you're going through things so that that person actually is aware of why you may be impacted or feeling a certain way? Do you have periods of time designed during the week where you're just throwing that aside period. And a story, you're just no matter what you're in the middle of you can't talk about work, you can't look stressed, be stressed. There's time for you time for your kids. People screw this up. Business causes divorce all the time. And I don't know, I just wanted to put it out there for discussion. Like the importance of that.

Eric Watkins:

Makes sense? Yeah. Makes perfect sense. Jeff, you're going, Governor, you're married with kids right now. Yeah. And I've

Jeff Winters:

been through all that. I mean, this is any any business owner knows this. Probably the same for CEOs of companies, I would suspect. But this is a group of people that are wired, it's just you're wired different. Like, that's how I've always tried to explain it, to my wife she's been through, it's from the early days, it's harder earlier, because you really don't have shit to show for it, and you're miserable to be around, maybe more. So. It's, it is it is it is really, really hard. And for the best tip that that I have, I'm not and I'm not good at it. So I'm not sure I should be good at giving tips. But the best, the best tip that I have is to like, think about when you come back from a vacation, and what bothers you versus when you're, like, haven't been like you're stressed. And then what bothers you, you know, like, the little things set you off when you're massively stressed, and then you come home from vacation, and nothing sets you off. So the best thing that I've been able to do for myself is to make sure that my wife knows that I need like, designated, unfortunately, and it's not convenient, considerable amounts of time to be by myself and like decompress, whether it be during the week or the weekends. That's what I need. Otherwise, I'm going to I'm going to have a short fuse. Because I can't turn it off. I can't try to turn it off. There is no turning it off. Unless I have that time. Otherwise, you're going to get the following which is you're here, but you're not here. I know shit. I'm not here, you don't know what I just went through for nine fucking hours. You would trust me. Like, if you went through what I went through, you wouldn't be here either. Like you probably wouldn't be here, here. So it's, that's that's the best tip and I suck at this. But thank God, my wife's understanding. And she just like knows how I'm wired.

Eric Watkins:

Yeah, I, I this is great topic. And I wish I was better at it as well. And obviously, it's easier for me in the sense of I don't have kids right now. And that adds a whole nother layer of complexity. But my, my wife, she teaches third grade. And, you know, I feel like my jobs, a lot of pressure and stress. But I think it's important to remember like, it's all relative, because honestly, I don't think I could teach their ground secure. I don't think I could do that. And I think at times, you know, it's just my stuff maybe takes a priority. And just figuring out the right balance. I think, ultimately, like there's no one size fits all solution. It's just what works and you know, part of this, luckily she for her like she married me later in my life. And she kind of knew more of what she was getting into versus just you guys probably whenever you started out but yeah, it's something that you definitely it's a good reminder, you definitely need to work out and communicate about

Scott Scully:

I think whoever you're with out there the this is gonna strike a chord for a lot of you I think that maybe the person that you're with assumes that you'll change over time, which just isn't likely, it's not likely that you will and it's not likely that he or she will right you have to love the things about the person that you love and not be focused on well if they changed this then I really love them because I think you have to plan on them not changing period. So this came out and then I'll leave this alone but this is kind of what I'm going through this construction project right now a couple of months past due, and we're living in the middle of it so you say time by yourself. Man I get up and there's people walking around the house right? trip over shit on the way and and the other day I was literally taped into my bedroom on the way out and the painters like hold on untaped ah Ah, and, and for her, you know, it's hasn't been as big of a deal. And for me, it's been like this deal. Like, she just can't understand how it would ever even be a big deal for me. And I was trying to explain, like, look, I feel like I go to work where nothing's really ever done. It's always a construction project. And I want to go home to like, the safe environment where there isn't a bunch of people around and, and not see shit that needs to be done. But I never, I didn't realize what I did at my house before by myself. And I and I had it in a way where I could no longer see any projects that needed to be done period. So I could go home rest. Yeah, and now I'm going home seeing all of the ship. And it's just killing me. And I went a little, you know, bonkers, probably, and it was my fault. But just like understanding one another,

Unknown:

why I would go crazy about

Jeff Winters:

it. One more thing. It's like, and this is when I thought that analogy was great. And I bet other people will relate to it, and they'll click on their head. Don't forget the good you get, like, you can't have the greatness in the person that you love, sometimes without some of the bad stuff. Like, if I if I, you know, if I work the way I am like, Oh, I love that you're ambitious, but I wish you could just turn it off at times, like, well, I don't know. Like some you gotta like, like, all of who I am as sort of this, like, my wife. You know, sometimes it's like, she's very type A, and you probably have partners out there that are type A, your type A but you kind of like, nudge me to get stuff done all the time. It's like, I wish you wouldn't do that. But if you didn't have the type a you wouldn't get the nudging. So you got to make sure you can, you are grateful and appreciate that some of the stuff you maybe don't like as much comes with the big stuff that you

Eric Watkins:

love. Your biggest strength is always your biggest weakness. Like it's always up Nick always goes. You're so great. You're so ambitious. The downside is you can't relax can't be pressed. Right, you know, right? Yeah.

Scott Scully:

Yeah. So just be in sync. Pick their NFU. By the way, if you're out there, and you don't have a wife or a husband. And you've started your business, and you think that you're going to like and you may love the person, you better make damn sure that that person knows what they're up for. Like before, before you get into a long term partnership, because if they don't understand entrepreneurship, and why that's different, and what they're getting involved in, and that the lines are going to be blurred, then you're probably not going to have the best partner for you. So we'll leave it at that.

Eric Watkins:

Good stuff.

Scott Scully:

Let's talk about a

Eric Watkins:

lot deeper than mine and for growth, it

Scott Scully:

was a little deep. We go deep on like Rocha but part of growth. Love it having the right infrastructure.

Eric Watkins:

Love it. All right. So mining for growth gold, today, I went into someone else's mind, we'd left that abstract mind, we went into a mind that I shall not name. But I got some really, really good data that I'd like to share with everybody. So there's a lot of people out there that are preaching custom voicemails, you got to leave this perfect, custom voicemail, spend a bunch of time write it all out, tailor it to the person that you're talking to. Makes a lot of sense, right? To me, it makes sense. Okay, I leave a custom voicemail, they're probably more likely to call me back. Wrong. It is 100% Wrong. If you looking at a sample size of 10 million voicemails 10 million voicemails, both pre recorded and custom said on the spot. There is no statistically significant statistical evidence to prove that you get more callbacks from a custom voicemail. But there's very good evidence that you spend a hell of a lot more time recording your customized voicemail and trying to figure out what you're saying. So I thought that was a super insightful and you know, I'm talking to someone who is looking at 10,000 or 10 million voicemails, which is not a small amount. You

Scott Scully:

know what I bet there would be a different tone. Someone doing pre recorded, right? And then automatically landing them or delivering them but just saying, Hey, Eric, I had it on my calendar to call you today. Give me a call back. Here's my number. Yeah, because as the first one. Now, if that's not working, then maybe you have a voicemail to where maybe you got too many pitch or whatever, but not enough people just put an assumption in the voice mailbox. And we did do a lot of that in the past got a lot of callbacks.

Eric Watkins:

Yeah. And that and I think there's like, is there nuance underneath this, I'm sure, but a 10 million sample size of voicemails is not a small amount. So I think that's very interesting because I thought there would be a huge difference in correlation. And frankly, callbacks in general just aren't as effective as people think. There there is a large amount of callbacks, but the percentage is is a lot lower than some people would expect. However, there's a camp out there that's like don't leave voicemails. Don't leave voicemails. The jury's back on that right. The jury's back. This said they also analyze these 10 million voicemails, your contact rate goes up significantly after you leave a voicemail. So people say I don't want to leave a voicemail because I don't think they're going to pick up the phone. The contact rate goes up significantly. Now what I don't have the numbers aren't and I can go back to the mind and see if we can figure them out. Is like where does that point stop? Like if I leave this person 10 voicemails? Yeah, is my contact rate going up and up? There's got to be a point where it's too much. Yeah,

Scott Scully:

that would have been my follow up question. Maybe you could ask them. How many of you leave? And how often? Like, how many days in between? Or can you leave two in a day? Yeah. Every day or you got to have a week in between? Would love to know? Yeah,

Eric Watkins:

more details there.

Jeff Winters:

Back the truck up though. Leave voicemails, I think let's just start there. Yeah, leave voicemails not because you're going to get that many callbacks, although you'll get some not because you're gonna get that many meetings, although you'll get some from directly from voicemail. It's the hidden meetings and the hidden pickups that you will get that you're not attributing to voicemail only because you don't recognize you're getting that pickup, you're getting that meeting, because of a voicemail, you're softening the ground.

Eric Watkins:

Yep. 100%. And don't. I think the other thing that comes out of this is Don't stress over, coming up with the perfect voicemail, and how you personalize it to every single person that you're saying. I think in general, just leaving a lot of voicemails is gonna get you what you need press

Jeff Winters:

two to rerecord your message.

Eric Watkins:

Don't press down press to leave that shit. Good call.

Scott Scully:

Love good stuff. All right, well, we've had a lot of callbacks, heading over to sales, how we're going to sell more of them.

Jeff Winters:

So I was, I have an exercise for the group to do, given I'm gonna give out a little homework, I'm gonna give out a little homework, but I promise it's gonna pay off if you've got more than one sales rep. This is an exercise I encourage you to do. And I'll tell you the genesis of it. I was looking through the stats on all of our salespeople. And our calls, pretty consistent the slide decks, the exact same, it's two calls, basically, the types of prospects are getting pretty similar. How are there such wildly different close rates all over the board. And, you know, you watch the calls. And obviously, look, some sales reps have been here longer, some sales reps are more expert in industry, like there's those variances. But I thought to myself, I would love to do a little test on follow up and see how reps follow up differently. So I created this exercise, I said, you're gonna have to customize this to you, I said, I'm gonna give you four different date ranges, and you're gonna have pitch to the same prospects, you're gonna have pitch to prospect on day zero, and all of these. One is day zero, and the end of the month is 20 days away. One is day zero on the end of the month, it's three days away, one is day zero, and the end of the month is 30 days away, and one is day zero, and the end of the month is eight days away, okay? In all these situations, the exact same thing happens, they're excited, they gotta talk to another person they get, you're gonna send a proposal. And in all these situations, the person ignores you, every single time you reach out. And I gave him this little day by day calendar, and I said, fill in what you would do in each day, exactly what you would do in each day, and assume that they just ignore you. And the variance was wild, some people, I mean, said shame on me should have known this. But this isn't all about things we do. Well, it's all about the things we could do better. The variance was insane. Some people would send a proposal and not do something for three days, some people would send a proposal and call the next day some people would send a proposal on call two days later. And then I took it the next step step further, and I dumped all the results in the chat GPT and I also inserted all the sales results. So I was I can't make heads or tails of what the best sales reps are doing versus the reps that aren't doing as well. And two things emerged. The first is frequency. The best sales reps are much more frequent in their follow up, which may be stands to reason but I'm talking about significantly more frequent in their touches. And the second is they are much less aggressive with frequent touches, making it more about the prospect and less about the deadline. And then last is the multimedia, or calling texting video. So those are the three takeaways. That's the exercise, I encourage you to do it.

Eric Watkins:

I like that That's smart, good job. It's a really good exercise. Good

Scott Scully:

stuff. We're about ready to get into just everybody's favorite section. Before we do though, I was gonna mention this at the beginning. And I, and I want to call it out. It's just about the gross show as a whole. So I sit with every new hire group, as you guys do, and what we're going around the table and where they came from, and why they made the decision and why they're here and what they're looking forward to. And the sky guy will get to this guy, and he's says, I love the growth show.

Jeff Winters:

I'm like, really promotion like, well,

Scott Scully:

thank you any. And he said, I want you to know that. Like, I interviewed the company, I saw the growth show, right I, in my interview process, I saw the growth show. And I went in before my interviews, and I listened to some episodes. And then I went into my interview. And they commented on how much I knew about the company. And and I said, he said, Well, I listened to the gross show. And then a couple of other people in that same class said, oh, yeah, like that was part of my decision as well. I listened to the gross show. And like some of the things that you guys had to say, when we set out to do this. You know, it wasn't one of the main goals to also provide content where someone could use it in their decision making process to join us. And I'm just excited about the fact that I don't know they saw. That's cool merit in it before they got here. And it was part of their decision. So

Jeff Winters:

you mentioned in the interview process, not saying you're definitely getting hired, but you're you're

Unknown:

hired. But if you're out there hiring,

Scott Scully:

if you're out there hiring a lot of people, like are you thinking about the fact that your podcast could actually help you attract Sure, new talented people, that's fine. If

Jeff Winters:

you're looking for a job, like, go listen to the podcast, or the company that you're Yeah, I'm gonna say that half, you know, you get hired half jokingly, not because you like us, but because you took you took another step of initiative.

Scott Scully:

Do you know what the so the I just don't want to name names because I don't feel comfortable. But the one guy went through the interview process. And then his favorite thing was, if you're gonna be cold, it should be calling or whatever. So then another guy that was in the in the class is a graphic designer, and they're literally making a design and making a t shirt. Because they loved that so

Jeff Winters:

much. I remember that. That was his favorite thing.

Scott Scully:

If you're gonna be cold, you better be calling her oil boy.

Eric Watkins:

Yeah, Jeff doesn't like it. Because it was me. That's all right. That's fine, by the way. Yeah. Because take a peek over there. See what those are? Oh, we got some hardware. Yes, some hardware will trophy about that. Excellent. Jeff. The share?

Jeff Winters:

It's clear, it's like the woman likes like the Oscar trophy. Nothing like

Scott Scully:

all right, shall we? Yeah, what do we got? To do or not to do so for

Eric Watkins:

today? Our very own Jeff winters went on a recent vacation. And on this vacation, he was lucky enough to stay at one of those bougie places he typically does. And he saw some famous celebrities walking around in the wild, big time

Unknown:

to your helicopter guy either.

Jeff Winters:

But looked away in advance found a good spot.

Eric Watkins:

But he came back with no video evidence. So we don't actually know if he's telling the truth or not. My question today is when you see a celebrity in the wild or famous athlete, should you take a picture or not so good.

Unknown:

Or you don't have any you don't have any pictures or anything. You're just saying so yes, just making these

Scott Scully:

up? Because we'll go ahead. No, no, I

Jeff Winters:

never, never take a picture. I think it's so intrusive. And you know, because because you go oh, it's just one picture. No, it's just one picture for you. Then the next person is taking a picture and the next person is taken. They want to live their life. They don't want to take a picture with you. You have it in your brain. You don't need a picture you don't need to share with A world you had a great moment I had, you know, me. It's exciting. Don't interrupt the vacation. No pictures don't be that annoying person. Oh, just can I just a big fan, don't care, no pictures. Wrong.

Eric Watkins:

Wrong. That is the cost of their asses making millions of dollars a year. You get to do that you get to be famous, you get everything that comes with it. I do not feel sorry for you if I sneak in for a picture. So in my little life, I could show my friends that I saw somebody famous. That's my state. I

Scott Scully:

was I was in Miami once and I walked by Sean Penn, outside of a hotel. He's just sitting there like having a cigarette. And I walked by him like, Hey, how you doing? I kept walking. And just like the look on his face.

Unknown:

The fact that I wasn't taking pictures, stopping or doing anything. You kind of want you kind of wonder if they

Scott Scully:

are upset that you didn't stop and make it a big deal or if they love it that you just walked by. And I guess it depends on me and

Eric Watkins:

my loss of fame. It's the cost of fame. The cost of film feel bad the

Jeff Winters:

cost of fame, never having been famous nor ever being in any danger of being famous. That is not that's not in my future. The cost of fame should not be that you can't have some tortellini by yourself. That doesn't make sense. You should be able to eat your dinner in peace. You

Eric Watkins:

know what the new thing should be? I do agree. There's a little bit of me that agrees. Like, you know, you stop them. You get them in the picture. They should just be fine with people coming up and taking a picture of them. Like don't worry, you keep eating, you're totally gonna take a picture.

Jeff Winters:

Would you be like a zebra in the zoo? What the hell's wrong with you?

Eric Watkins:

I know you're eating lunch. Don't worry. I'm just gonna snap a picture of you real quick. Don't move. No, keep it. Would you?

Unknown:

Would you do like would you do Would you consider over the shoulder shot?

Eric Watkins:

I don't know. What about it long distance selfie.

Jeff Winters:

Now leave them alone.

Eric Watkins:

What are you that protector of celebrity? I am now. As you talk to him?

Jeff Winters:

I did. Yep.

Unknown:

So what did they say about very natural

Jeff Winters:

conversation though? Oh, very natural. Yes. Yeah. Very natural.

Eric Watkins:

As you edged your seat all the way over close to

Jeff Winters:

this. I'm a big you know this, then I'm just Oh, so you did interrupt their day. I didn't interrupt. It was in the natural course of the goings.

Unknown:

Hold on. So there's one person that walks by it takes a picture. There's you who roll up your chair and occupies the entire day.

Jeff Winters:

I think it's totally different. If I go hey, we're in the line at the coffee shop. I go hey, don't wanna interrupt your day. Big fan of the podcast. This guy big fan of his podcast Paul George shadows pride listener. Big fan of I am big fan of podcasts that hey, can I get now can I get your picture? Can I take it this way? Can someone stop that? No, you

Eric Watkins:

should have taken the picture before he was looking at the picture. What do you say?

Jeff Winters:

It's couldn't have been more grateful. You know, do you have a podcast set up a great conference? Did you tell me that? We should have on my podcast but

Eric Watkins:

Paul George, future sponsor?

Jeff Winters:

Words you got all right.

Eric Watkins:

Cost the thing? I

Scott Scully:

like Paul. George, can we have Paul George on the podcast?

Jeff Winters:

Paul, if you're listening, Paul, come on. Come on. Come on, man. I did you a favor.

Scott Scully:

He was priority listening. If you would have said that. You were from the gross show. He probably said Are you kidding me?

Jeff Winters:

Great guy, Paul. George. Good friend.

Unknown:

He's good friend to you. Close friend. Good. All right. Good stuff again today. Thank

Scott Scully:

you, gentlemen. Thank you grown nation for always tuning in. We love you. Let us know how we can help. Again, it's not why we do this. We do this so your growth is easier. But if there's anything that we can help you with along the way, and services that we provide, reach out. We'd love to be part of your massive growth plans. Take easy, let's say be careful and let's see

Eric Watkins:

the road. Get the picture. Let's grow let's grow

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